It’s Saturday.
Here we are kids, once again, for another stirring rendition of “Coffee Talk with Tiff,” or as I like to call today’s article, “Let’s Talk about Impeached Twice 45’s Lawsuits filed on Wednesday,” I only call it that in my head, as it’s too long for an actual headline…
Anyhoo, on Wednesday, in what appears to be a made to look like White House with a fake podium to boot, Twice Impeached 45 held a special presser to announce his ground breaking lawsuits filed against, Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube, for violating his First Amendment right to “Free Speech”.
when my tweet only gets 3 likes pic.twitter.com/rAVOXECBi1
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) July 7, 2021
He says in the clip he is filed a lawsuit against, Facebook, Google, and Twitter, and their CEO’s…(Google owns YouTube).
Law Twitter was extremely excited about these law suits…
I mean how does Mark damn Zuckerberg have a "personal" and "official" capacity for FIRST AMENDMENT LITIGATION purposes?
— Mike Dunford (@questauthority) July 7, 2021
THAT'S NOT HOW LITERALLY ANYTHING WORKS AT ALL pic.twitter.com/3eddAfHJv7
The above tweet was sent well into his thread, that I recommend reading through…
Let's start with the caption, which is usually a pretty tame and meaningless listing of partie–OH MY GOD pic.twitter.com/m1jL8HxBp8
— Akiva Cohen (@AkivaMCohen) July 7, 2021
Now we come to the reason why we are Coffee Talking about three separate but equally bad lawsuits, that will go zero places other than the dismissed pile, probably with a judge laughing hysterical while tossing the craptastic piles of crap.
Section 230…I know, I heard that groan from here! But seriously, it’s a thing, and because it’s a thing here we are…*sips 4th-ish cup of coffee*.
Nope. Nope nope nope nope nope motherfucking nope. pic.twitter.com/wsOQmz2yfU
— Akiva Cohen (@AkivaMCohen) July 7, 2021
Several and I do mean several tweets later…
Now, we pause here, for a brief look into the not written by Impeached Twice 45’s op-ed published by the Wall Street Journal.
One of the gravest threats to our democracy today is a powerful group of Big Tech corporations that have teamed up with government to censor the free speech of the American people. This is not only wrong—it is unconstitutional. To restore free speech for myself and for every American, I am suing Big Tech to stop it.
Perhaps most egregious, in the weeks after the election, Big Tech blocked the social-media accounts of the sitting president. If they can do it to me, they can do it to you—and believe me, they are.
He didn’t write it. 07/08/2021.
If they can do it to me, they can do it to you—and believe me, they are.
Yes. Yes they can…why???
This is the exchange that Dunford stuck his tweet in, and for that, we heart him all the more, or at least I do…
Interactive service providers have always had a right to determine what goes on their sites. This extends from the largest platform to the smallest content creator. If Twitter wants to ban the use of the word "hat," they can. It would be silly, but it's well within their rights.
— Mike Dunford (@questauthority) July 8, 2021
If I want to boot someone from my Twitch chat for denigrating my hat, I can do that too. It would be silly, but it's well within my rights.
— Mike Dunford (@questauthority) July 8, 2021
It's also within my rights to boot someone for being a Trump supporter – I need not host their speech in my chat if I don't feel like it.
I generally do not choose to do that, but I can if I want. If Twitter wants to do that, they can too.
— Mike Dunford (@questauthority) July 8, 2021
These are not rights that come from Section 230. These are basic rights. It's my stream, and I'll yeet if I want to. It's Twitter's platform and they can ban if they want.
Section 230 comes in not as a means of giving permission to websites to block people – that's already built in by the First Amendment. Section 230 just allows sites to block content without becoming liable for everything that *isn't* blocked.
— Mike Dunford (@questauthority) July 8, 2021
When you're dealing with lots of content, sometimes things that shouldn't slip through do. For example, someone could defame someone else in my Twitch chat.
— Mike Dunford (@questauthority) July 8, 2021
Under the law as it existed immediately before 230 was passed, if I moderated *any* content, I could be liable for that.
The only way I could avoid liability, without 230, would be to decline to moderate anything at all.
— Mike Dunford (@questauthority) July 8, 2021
The problem with that, of course, is that no-moderation sites are cesspools that nobody wants to go to. They get flooded with spam and porn and all kinds of undesirable content.
And with that we break away from my hearting Dunford to heart Tim Miller; a writer that I’m both envious of and in awe of.
Gettr for those living real lives and not glued to Twitter is a site that was launched 4th of July, that’s basically a reskin of some other loser social media site ran by some Chinese billionaire who happened to own the yacht Steve Bannon was arrested on, that is run by Jason “pay your fucking child support, dead beat,” Miller. No relation to Tim or wannabe Nazi Stephen Miller…
He adds this disclaimer to open the article; [Note: This article includes sexually explicit language and a gross screenshot from Gettr users.]
Some highlights:
What I found is that Gettr has the same exact problems that have tormented every platform in the history of the internet.
And the pranksters got me! My very first brand follow—@SonicFastFood—was not a representative of America’s heritage of innovative and tasty drive-in cuisine, but rather a digital gathering space for furry porn. Of which there is a lot on Gettr.
Look, that’s not my bag of beans but no judgment. If MAGAs are into that sort of thing, that’s cool. But let me just say that during my first day on Gettr I didn’t come across a single substantive exchange of ideas—but I was exposed to a very great deal of Sonic the Hedgehog erotica. What a world.
But back to our verification problem: The “official” Frito’s account posted a series of absurdist memes that featured a suggestion that users should dip their penises into a Wendy’s frosty. The “official” Domino’s account is much more obsessed with “breeding” than with pizza (and not so subtly requested that women send selfies in which they are covered in feces). Meanwhile the Ford Motor Company is “horny” and has joined the “pisser army” being spearheaded by Still Piss Kink Proud.
Taken as a whole, my Gettr newsfeed was a mash-up of catfishes and spoofs, conspiratorial craziness from real-life right-wingers, racial slurs from anonymous Nazi accounts, and pornographic trolling from (I assume) bored libs. The Algonquin Round Table this is not. The marketplace of ideas was barren.
Because it turns out that this cesspool would have been even worse if not for the fact that Jason Miller was doing exactly the same thing that Facebook and Twitter and all the other Big Bad Tech Oligarchs do: moderating his site’s content in order to provide a more usable product for his audience.
*ahem*
[for example]
@RoseyRose lamented that their previous account had been banned because they told “ben shapiro I want to piss in his lungs.”
Because what these people inevitably find is that there’s no lib cabal targeting them. No grand conspiracy of Silicon Valley billionaire bros.
Instead the founders of Gettr have been crushed by the same banal challenge that every neckbeard site admin and anxiety-riddled Zoomer slaving away at the dystopian Facebook content-moderation farm has confronted from the moment the internet birthed this vast catch basin of human knowledge and obscenity and allowed people to post on it anonymously. The problem is the users. You can’t live with ’em. But you can’t live without ’em.
Read it, you won’t be sorry, but at the end there is a graphic ick picture. You’ve been warned.
And for his trouble what happened to Tim Miller’s Gettr account???
“Regeets” =’s Retweets, because having visited the site a few times, I can say for certain they totally stole everything from Twitter, including banning and suspending accounts. HA HA HA HA HA *gasp* HA HA HA HA.
Having recovered just slightly from my hysterical laughter regrading irony and how they can’t or won’t ever see it that way, we come to our next trip and my fifth-ish, maybe six-ish cup of coffee on this hot as hell morning in California…
And why you ask is that take mentioned, because of this hot take…
Yes, there should be laws that prevent big tech from censoring speech. Negative political views on immigration and multiculturalism are not violence (and a big reason why Nick was censored). People have a right to the public platform of debate.https://t.co/6QDmNPqvlw
— L (@LSamHydeFan) July 9, 2021
*Ahem*
have you read this pic.twitter.com/I05ZiqKfzu
— kilgore trout, a metaphor with artistic license (@KT_So_It_Goes) July 9, 2021
And that’s where this goes, Kilgore has a challenge for folks supportive of telling Twitter they got bake the tweets…
I am once again asking these first amendment champions to answer this simple challenge: if you don’t want twitter deciding what content goes on the platform, who -specifically, name the party- do you want doing it
— kilgore trout, a metaphor with artistic license (@KT_So_It_Goes) July 9, 2021
And so far, the takes are all the same leading to the same path “the government” which violates well and truly the First Amendment they swear they believe in.
Here’s a quick trip down the rabbit hole I took for those that just want the cliff notes easy reading…
All of those people cheering on Impeached Twice 45’s nonsense regarding his Twitter ban, Facebook ban, and even his YouTube ban, are not calling for less censorship in fact a win (he can’t win it’s impossible) for Impeached Twice 45’s lawsuits, are actually calling for more not less censorship.
Sidebar, he’s once again admitted he isn’t President…3 times in fact…
This is an Open Thread.
